Matty Ice... not so nice...

[truck man]

Originally Posted by Saint Droopy

They played a horrible schedule last season... if they win 7 games this season I'd be impressed.

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yes playing a first place schedule will do them no favors and i aslo believe Michael Turner will not have as good a year which will in turn adveresly effect Ryan's production

[CaliSaint4Life]

Originally Posted by Galbreath34

Given the receivers he had (I still don't buy Roddy White as more than a 3rd WR), and the chaos in ATL, I actually think Ryan's season was better. I don't have any annointing oil out for him, but I'd pegged him as an out and out bust, and I'll admit I was wrong. I'll be surprised if he isn't at least a decent year in year out starter.

Gotta disagree here with you man. Right now, I would say Roddy White is right there with Colston as far as a WR. He's definitely a #1 WR.

[Galbreath34]

I'll eat crow if I'm wrong, but I still see the ball bouncing off his hands in 2006 twice against us and other signs that make me think he's one of these guys that seems to suddenly "get it" then poof is gone again with the contract. We'll be seeing a lot of him, so if I'm wrong you'll have plenty of chances to rub it in, but I have a strong feeling on this one.

[truck man]

Originally Posted by CaliSaint4Life

Gotta disagree here with you man. Right now, I would say Roddy White is right there with Colston as far as a WR. He's definitely a #1 WR.

i agree that White is a #1 WR but i don't think he's on the level of Colston. (and i not being homerific here) Roddy White has had one good season to date with a lot of inconsistent ones, some would like to point to Vick being the problem for him, but i've seen him drop numerous balls throughout the years that hit him right in his hands. while it seems he finally got over that a little bit he still catches to many balls with his chest and with added attention this year vbecause of the year he had last year, let's see if he can put back to back rpoductive season together.

[CaliSaint4Life]

Originally Posted by truck man

i agree that White is a #1 WR but i don't think he's on the level of Colston. (and i not being homerific here) Roddy White has had one good season to date with a lot of inconsistent ones, some would like to point to Vick being the problem for him, but i've seen him drop numerous balls throughout the years that hit him right in his hands. while it seems he finally got over that a little bit he still catches to many balls with his chest and with added attention this year vbecause of the year he had last year, let's see if he can put back to back rpoductive season together.

I think Colston is a better WR than White. He doesn't have better hand than him and seems to be more technical. I guess what I mean is if you hear a discussion about who is better, Colston or White, I could possibly be a 50/50 argument.

I think there was thread bout it on FootballFuture.com. I'll see if I can dig it up.

Edit: http://www.footballsfuture.com/phpBB...er=asc&start=0
That's it. They have White over Colston 54% to 45%. It's not necessarily right, and it was done after White had the best season of his career and Colston had his worst. Good for debate though.
And who do I find in the thread? nolafan33 of course lol!

[B Trusty]

In 2007 Roddy White had a 1,000 yd season catching the ball from the likes of Harrington, Leftwich, and Chris Redman. Before that he had Vick at QB and Vick was never known for his accuracy. During that same time Roddy spent more time in Magic City and Strokers than he did in his playbook. Roddy's improvement coincided with his maturity as a player and person. He is a #1 receiver. Now he's holding out, and the word is that he's asking for Larry Fitzgerald money. He's losing over 12,000 bucks a day, so don't expect this holdout to last very long. The Tony Gonzalez Honeymoon is in full swing, so nobody is really bugging about Roddy holding out...for now.

Word out of Falcons camp is that Ryan will operate out of the no-huddle offense more often this season...I would think that is because Mike Smith and Friends realize that people will have gameplanned for Ryan. In the playoff game against Arizona, remember that the Cardinals knew when the ball was going to be snapped by watching Ryan's body language...
The Falcons didn't drastically improve their defense. They acquired Mike Peterson and drafted Peria Jerry out of Ole Miss, but John Abraham wont have another season like he had last year, and Jamal Anderson is a bust at DE.

Ryan is a good QB, but I think that the Falcons underestimated the intelligence of their opponents, and didn't make enough countermoves to improve their team. 9-7 for them, maybe.

[Ti Rider]

Originally Posted by TenTwo

Do we really have to call this fruit loop Matty "Ice"?

Seriously. "Matty Ice" ?!? Who came up with that? Matty Ice sounds like something a tiny blond girl wearing big bug eye sunglasses with a chihuahua in her purse would order in a bar. It would go like this - bugeye sunglass girl "Bartender make me a Matty Ice but not too much alcohol. I don't want to get wasted on them like I did last time". Bartender looking confused "Uh miss Matty Ices are non alcoholic".

[Galbreath34]

He's from Boston where they like to drink their Natty Lite, so that's where it came from and why it's sticking despite the stupid sound of it.

[Saint Droopy]

Originally Posted by Ti Rider

Seriously. "Matty Ice" ?!? Who came up with that? Matty Ice sounds like something a tiny blond girl wearing big bug eye sunglasses with a chihuahua in her purse would order in a bar. It would go like this - bugeye sunglass girl "Bartender make me a Matty Ice but not too much alcohol. I don't want to get wasted on them like I did last time". Bartender looking confused "Uh miss Matty Ices are non alcoholic".

LOL! You never heard "them" call this cat "Matty Ice"? I only put it in the title soo that I could rhyme it, but yes "they" call hi that... seriously.

[B Trusty]

Word is they've been calling him that since High School. ESPN got a hold of it (no surprises there) and shoved it down the public's throat. It is lame as heck...

Ti: lol

[blackngold4877]

Originally Posted by Galbreath34

He's from Boston where they like to drink their Natty Lite, so that's where it came from and why it's sticking despite the stupid sound of it.

no he isn't, he just went to BC. His BC team mates gave him the nick name.

[GW93]

Originally Posted by Saint Droopy

Time to put the "Matt Ryan For President" talks to rest... I'm so sick of the media bouncing on this guy's nuggets... crowning him the next Joe Montagna (Waterboy)... here's a bold statement that alot of you might not agree with, but I'll try to back up my bold statement with proof.

OK here goes... "Joe Flacco is and will be a better QB than the beloved Matty Ice". There I said it...

So lets get to it..

Matt Ryan:



Joe Flacco:



The stats are almost a wash... Ryan threw for more yards, but Ryan had more weapons at his disposal. Flacco did what he could do with what he had.

Lets look at their opponents...

Both teams (ATL & B-More) played last-place schedules in 2008, but Baltimore had a much harder schedule than the Turds did.

The 2 toughest opponents that ATL played were Carolina twice (12-4) and Minnesota (10-6).

Now take a look at some of B-More's opponents... Titans (13-3), PIttsburgh (twice), NYG (12-4), Indy (12-4), Miami (11-5)

ATL 2008 opponents records: 117-138-1
Opponent with best record / results: Carolina * twice (12-4)
Double-digit-win opponents: Carolina & Minnesota

ATL's Sched

BMore 2008 opponents records: 132-121-3
Opponent with best record / results: Titans (13-3)
Double-digit-win opponents: Titans, Steelers, Colts, NYG, Dolphins

BMore's sched

So now that we see the differences in opponents... lets look at the defenses that they faced so that we'll get a good idea of the caliber of defenses that they had to play against.

ATL's opponents whose defenses were in the top 15 (Total defense):

Minnesota (#6)
Tampa Bay (#9) * twice

BMore's opponents whose defenses were in the top 15 (Total defense):

Pittsburgh (#1) * twice
Philly (#3)
Washington (#4)
NYG (#5)
Titans (#7)
Dallas (#8)
Indy (#11)
Cincy (#12) * twice
Miami (#15)

I'm not making this stuff up

So... my point for this thread was to try to give the media Matt Ryan lovers a dose of reality. There are the numbers smacking them right in the face... of Matt Ryan's 16 reg season games he played againt top-15 defenses a grand total of 3 times, and we all know that the Vikings secondary is horrible.

Meanwhile... Flacco has "almost-as-good" numbers while playing against top-15 defenses for 11 games of his 16, and might I also ask the Ryan jock-riders who was ROY?

For the record... I think Ryan will be a good QB in the league, but man... the media hype that this guy has gotten is crazy. Sure he led his team to the playoffs, but Flacco led his team to the Conf title game. Did Flacco have help? hell yeah he did... that Ravens defense is sick, but damm... Burner Turner almost won the rushing title... neither QB did it alone.

I just think that Flacco will be better in the long run, and the fact as a rookie QB... playing against those defenses... and still put up decent #'s... I like this kid's future more than I like Ryan's.

Oh that, and the fact that I hate the turds

Wait -- did you mean the next Joe Montana, or the next Joe Mantegna?

[Galbreath34]

Originally Posted by blackngold4877

no he isn't, he just went to BC. His BC team mates gave him the nick name.

Yeah, didn't mean born and bred, but he was there and that's where the nickname started, because of Boston's love for Natty Lite.

[Saintman2884]

Anytime a rookie QB takes his team to the AFC Championship game and has a halfway decent game vs the eventual SB champs Steelers is proving his mettle very quickly in terms of NFL QB development. Yeah I know the Steelers had the better team, and Flacco had a vaunted Ravens defense backing him in case he muffed up, but Flacco and the Ravens held their own against a Steelers team that does not lose often at home. Up until the Troy Polamanau INT for TD, the Ravens were only trailing by a TD and the Ravens were having a successful drive until the INT sealed the game. If a few plays go in a slightly different direction, that game could have ended a bit differently or had a few more dramatic moments towards the end.

[Lord Stanley]

Originally Posted by jimrip

This is what I've felt since his poor showing against Arizona in the playoffs. While I feel he can be a very good QB, I have to think back to Parcells when he said about another over-hyped QB "Let's not anoint him just yet".

By the way, I think you could come up with the exact same conclusions about another over-hyped QB.. Jay Cutler.

Let's wait to see how these guys do against a string of decent defenses.

Don't let your Falcons hatred tarnish the view of perhaps the best young QB to enter the league in the last 5 years. This would never happen, but if the Falcons called Loomis offering a Ryan for Brees even swap, we would trade Drew away(not this close to season opener, but 6 months ago yes). The youth, poise, and toughness Ryan showed last year were remarkable.

[BoNcHiE]

Originally Posted by Lord Stanley

Don't let your Falcons hatred tarnish the view of perhaps the best young QB to enter the league in the last 5 years. This would never happen, but if the Falcons called Loomis offering a Ryan for Brees even swap, we would trade Drew away(not this close to season opener, but 6 months ago yes). The youth, poise, and toughness Ryan showed last year were remarkable.

No we wouldn't.

[CaliSaint4Life]

Originally Posted by Lord Stanley

Don't let your Falcons hatred tarnish the view of perhaps the best young QB to enter the league in the last 5 years. This would never happen, but if the Falcons called Loomis offering a Ryan for Brees even swap, we would trade Drew away(not this close to season opener, but 6 months ago yes). The youth, poise, and toughness Ryan showed last year were remarkable.

So trade argubly the best QB in the NFL who is on the road to being a Hall of Famer who single-handedly carried his team in almost every one of their wins for the last two seasons who has probably the best if not one of the best Head Coach/Player relationships in the game who is in his prime who is playing for a "win now" team who was 16 yards from breaking the record for most passing yards in a season who has 6 to 7 more years of great football for a rookie QB who was carried by his running game and overachieving defense who had an average to above average season last year.
*Peep the run-on sentence*

Sounds like a good trade to me. /sarcasm off

[jimrip]

Originally Posted by Lord Stanley

Don't let your Falcons hatred tarnish the view of perhaps the best young QB to enter the league in the last 5 years. This would never happen, but if the Falcons called Loomis offering a Ryan for Brees even swap, we would trade Drew away(not this close to season opener, but 6 months ago yes). The youth, poise, and toughness Ryan showed last year were remarkable.

Loomis wouldn't say a word.. he'd just quietly put the handset back on the phone.

[striker1064]

Originally Posted by Saintman2884

Anytime a rookie QB takes his team to the AFC Championship game and has a halfway decent game vs the eventual SB champs Steelers is proving his mettle very quickly in terms of NFL QB development. Yeah I know the Steelers had the better team, and Flacco had a vaunted Ravens defense backing him in case he muffed up, but Flacco and the Ravens held their own against a Steelers team that does not lose often at home. Up until the Troy Polamanau INT for TD, the Ravens were only trailing by a TD and the Ravens were having a successful drive until the INT sealed the game. If a few plays go in a slightly different direction, that game could have ended a bit differently or had a few more dramatic moments towards the end.

I like Flacco and I think he'll be a solid starter, but he in no way took his team to the AFC Championship Game... check out his numbers... he was atrocious. He threw only 1 TD and while he protected the football in the first two games, he threw 3 picks in the Steelers game. He isn't the reason the Ravens were still in that game, or any of them for that matter.

Postseason				Games		Passing										Rushing				Fumbles
WK	Game Date	Opp	Result	G	GS	Comp	Att	Pct	Yds	Avg	TD	Int	Sck	SckY	Rate	Att	Yds	Avg	TD	FUM	Lost
18	01/04	@ MIA	W 27-9	1	1	9	23	39.1	135	5.9	0	0	0	0	59.1	5	8	1.6	1	--	--
19	01/10	@ TEN	W 13-10	1	1	11	22	50.0	161	7.3	1	0	0	0	89.4	5	5	1.0	0	--	--
20	01/18	@ PIT	L 14-23	1	1	13	30	43.3	141	4.7	0	3	3	16	18.2	2	-8	-4.0	0	--	--
TOTAL				3	3	33	75	44.0	437	5.8	1	3	3	16	50.8	12	5	0.4	1	0	0

[bobad]

Originally Posted by jimrip

Loomis wouldn't say a word.. he'd just quietly put the handset back on the phone.

Maybe so.

But Ryan at 23 and Brees at 30 are closer in value than many may think.

Brees wasn't nearly as good as Ryan in his rookie year.

If I had my choice? Brees at 23 again.

[Sniper Wolf]

Originally Posted by Lord Stanley

Don't let your Falcons hatred tarnish the view of perhaps the best young QB to enter the league in the last 5 years. This would never happen, but if the Falcons called Loomis offering a Ryan for Brees even swap, we would trade Drew away(not this close to season opener, but 6 months ago yes). The youth, poise, and toughness Ryan showed last year were remarkable.

In the history of stupid things that have been dared uttered aloud, or in this case typed in public viewing, this cracks the top 5.