The more important question is where are you at? You don't have a dog in this fight again, so was it an INT or what?
I think that was his point... it was an INT, but we got a bad call so he was wondering how it felt for the shoe to be on the other foot now so to speak...
but hey, I feel the same way I did in the UGA game. It sucks when a call doesn't go your way, but it happens. the fact that they actually reviewed it on tape for a really long time makes it a heck of a lot worse than in the heat of the moment situation, but that's not important. also a 15 yd penalty is a lot different than a turnover as well if you really want to get technical. but neither call cost anyone the game. I said it before and I'll say it again, SEC officials are terrible. but there is not an SEC conspiracy going on, just bad officiating.
I was actually kind of wondering spam if you were going to make a separate thread post saying LSU should have won and got robbed.
If you are being totally honest with yourself (and maybe I am wrong), your original post was only partly about the officiating. Being an Ole Miss SEC West fan you probably wanted to see LSU get beat and wee upset they did not. I would guess you have some extra incentive to see LSU lose because they are not only an Ole Miss west rival, but you are an Ole Miss fan on a predominant LSU board. I would think the LSU rah rah stuff gets tiresome.
Both reasons to dislike LSU are understandable. Ole Miss is actually my second favorite SEC team but I always want them to lose if it helps LSU and I probably would not last long on a predominantly Ole Miss board. When I see you or LC rattle sabres with LSU fans now and then I can understand how aggravating that could be. A lot of, if not the majority, of fans for any team on a message board act like morons and see things only through the lens of their team colors.
The reason you got flack from some LSU fans is your post was not desinged to just complain about officiating, it was just as important to add in the LSU did not deserve the win component at the time you knew LSU fans would be celebrating their win. It seemed to me your post was part complaining about the officials and part trying to take a little joy from a big win for LSU(just as this post has a little bit of the rub it in after a tough loss feel). To that end you even made the call sound a bit more game determinative than it was.
The part of your post that SEC officiating is lacking was tell taken and most agreed with you. Some like me doubted that if Ole Miss had benefitted from a questionable call we would have seen a big, angry separate thread on officiating.
So I was wondering if we would get our own separate thread saying how the officials handed Alabama the game and that LSU should have won. They did not give Jefferson his obvious forward progress on the first series. They missed a brutal helmet spear to Jefferson. LSU got called on pass interference on a ball that sailed out of bounds over Jones head but the flg stays. They call pass intererence on Bama at a critical point and pick up the flag. And Peterson's interception should have been called.
The net result is the same. Bama fans will probably search for calls that went our way and say they evened out (thats what LSU fans would do). A lot of whining(like my post) happens on message boards.
LSU needed to be better yesterday to overcome those calls. They still had chances. It did not help to lose your starting qb and running back (a testament to the physicalness of the Bama team so I credit them for that as much as our bad luck. Its why I think teams like Boise get a big break not having to endure physical games each week that test their depth). Even worse was Peterson cramping (not conditioning, he had the flu during the week). Jones doesnt get the same score on Peterson. And yes, the SEC needs better officials.
But to be clear, I agreed with your original post on officiating. I just disagree with the timing and other part of your post which was an attempt to take a little fun out of the win for LSU fans by taking it a step further and implying it was a cheap win. You know you were just as angry about LSU winning as you were the officiating and did not want to read a week of posts from gloating LSU fans. I actually get that, I was just hoping for a separate, angryman thread from you today saying LSU got robbed and deserved to beat Alabama.
Bama is my least favorite team. They won and all you can really do is tip your hat to them. Whining (and even justified whining) never wears very well. I still indulge myself with a whine now and then. What helps me the most is reading other team's fans whine every time the Saints beat them. I know thats what I sound like to them when I whine.
Now I do not think a thread complaining about the quality of the officiating overall is whining; thats a valid subject for sure. SEC officiating is very lacking this year. Their competency is questionable. When they can not get it right on a review, their objectivity becomes questionable.
I was actually kind of wondering spam if you were going to make a separate thread post saying LSU should have won and got robbed.
Well, to come clean, I didn't even watch the second half of the game yesterday. Ole Miss had (however pathetic it was) a "game" last night, so after the first half I headed for the Grove and then the stadium. I didn't see the major call in question.
But even if I had I doubt I would want to get into arguments of who "got robbed" more, Georgia or LSU.
I just remember a whoooooole lot of "LSU won that game/Georgia lost it " type posts at the time. A lot of rationalization how bad calls happen and good teams overcome/deal, and nothing could be taken away from LSU's win. And then I saw a lot of sentiment kind of contrary to that after this last call
Before everyone gets too defensive, hypocrisy is pretty much fundamental to fandom. But that doesn't make it any less entertaining for the rest to poke at
Now I do not think a thread complaining about the quality of the officiating overall is whining; thats a valid subject for sure. SEC officiating is very lacking this year. Their competency is questionable. When they can not get it right on a review, their objectivity becomes questionable.
Oh but to be serious for a second
1) It's been questionable far more then just "this year".
2) To be specific, the issue just isn't bad officiating. If officiating football was simply a difficult-to-impossible task and all officials struggled, I would
say there was something fundamentally wrong with how officiating is set up in the game. But SEC officiating is not only terrible, it's terrible in comparison to most other conferences. Even the Pac-10 seems to have less "incidents" then they had in the past, though I don't watch a ton of their games and couldn't personally judge. It's specifically SEC officiating that's an issue.
It's either cheating (which by disposition I tend to reject as an explanation for most anything) or incompetency (which by disposition I tend to favor as an explanation for most all things). Either way, no excuse for the NCAA's undisputed premier product to come across this amateurish.
LSU got hosed last night. I am now fully entrenched in the camp that believes that the SEC is protecting Bama and Florida. It's not even subtle anymore.
The SEC and its officials are simply thumbing their nose and flipping the bird to the country, saying "yeah, we know you know we're protecting them, but what are you gonna do about it?"
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LSU got hosed last night. I am now fully entrenched in the camp that believes that the SEC is protecting Bama and Florida. It's not even subtle anymore.
The SEC and its officials are simply thumbing their nose and flipping the bird to the country, saying "yeah, we know you know we're protecting them, but what are you gonna do about it?"
He's setting you up. This is the post he'll link back to for the next couple years to prove his innocence and impeccable objectivity when people call him out for being a homer/troll/etc.
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LSU got hosed last night. I am now fully entrenched in the camp that believes that the SEC is protecting Bama and Florida. It's not even subtle anymore.
The SEC and its officials are simply thumbing their nose and flipping the bird to the country, saying "yeah, we know you know we're protecting them, but what are you gonna do about it?"
I wonder if it goes beyond the SEC to the networks...an SEC championship between two undefeated teams, which will also determine which one goes to the BCS NCG, means very high ratings. I'm not saying that this is part of "the conspiracy", but honestly, nothing surprises me anymore.
What the rest of the country/other conferences need to do is beat whoever the SEC sends to the BCS NCG, to flip them the bird right back. And I'm an SEC supporter saying this, too.
Not unexpected at all, this is just LC's way of bashing the SEC (and still attack LSU indirectly while disguising it as praise.) This is all an attempt to try and pretend like his little dog and pony show of a conference actually matters and the SEC sucks.
I'm not falling for it. Beware of any posts made by LC. Everything he says is twisted to try and portray Texas and their little school girl friends as being superior. Sure, SEC fans do the same thing. Biggest difference is SEC fans are right and the my little pony show fans are delusional.
If Alabama paid $250K to a recruit would you be shocked if you found out an official was in their pocket as well?
So many blown calls in that game it was ridiculous. As a former official (hobby and extra money in college) I am qualified enough to say that I wasn't good enough to officiate a collegiate game and neither was that crew. A novice high school crew would have called that hit on Jefferson and they blatant illegal use of the hands on the sack on Lee on that final drive. With the replay system the INT should have been a no-brainer. It wasn’t like they missed the calls because the officials were out of position. If you are the replay official and don’t see both feet down then you should be banned from collegiate sports. Awful. Just awful.
I know some people will call “sour grapes” and I probably won’t argue with you but if I am going to lose then let my team lose on the field and not on the judgment of someone unqualified to be in the position they are in. The difference between this game and the LSU vs Ga game was that the penalties came after the game changing play. LSU was robbed on the opportunity to compete to win that game. If LSU was given the INT and Lee threw a pick on the very next play I wouldn’t even bother making a post on the subject. All I wanted is for my team to have a chance to compete.
LSU got hosed last night. I am now fully entrenched in the camp that believes that the SEC is protecting Bama and Florida. It's not even subtle anymore.
The SEC and its officials are simply thumbing their nose and flipping the bird to the country, saying "yeah, we know you know we're protecting them, but what are you gonna do about it?"
Agreed completely and thanks for posting this Brad. We all know you don't have any reason to side with LSU in this one so it's honestly good to hear from a non Tiger/Tide fan on this.
Not unexpected at all, this is just LC's way of bashing the SEC (and still attack LSU indirectly while disguising it as praise.) This is all an attempt to try and pretend like his little dog and pony show of a conference actually matters and the SEC sucks.
I'm not falling for it. Beware of any posts made by LC. Everything he says is twisted to try and portray Texas and their little school girl friends as being superior. Sure, SEC fans do the same thing. Biggest difference is SEC fans are right and the my little pony show fans are delusional.
Nice try LC.
Uh, what? How does me commenting on an SEC vs. SEC game with no mention of the Big XII even remotely have anything to do with Texas or the Big XII?
Terrible.
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Absolutely a big call. I knew it was going to be a bad day after that since it was the 3rd play of the game and they couldn't even give us a correct spot on JJ's run.
Sad thing is that on one of our punts we hit the Bama player and he flew back a good 4 or 5 yards, stayed on his feet and fought for about a yard and then got tackled. They marked him where he caught it IIRC, not where he was pushed back to.. which is exactly what they did for us.
If one isn't forward progress how is the other? That's my biggest beef.. the calls that were called one way, but not the other. Missing them is different sometimes, but to call only 1 on plays that were nearly identical is garbage. Also, see the Pass Int calls for this..
I'm not a conspiracy theorist and I don't believe that the officials are on the take. That said, it seems like the SEC has created a culture where the officials are terrified to do anything to hurt the undefeated/highly ranked teams and that has caused the officials to err in their favor. They really need to fix it though because they should want the better teams representing the conference in the NCG.
" type posts at the time. A lot of rationalization how bad calls happen and good teams overcome/deal, and nothing could be taken away from LSU's win. And then I saw a lot of sentiment kind of contrary to that after this last call 
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