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Old 05-16-2007, 08:52 PM   #29
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Ok TCUDAN / Others - 4 reciever - jet left formation

I am giving you a test of your football knowledge. Name the recievers X, Y, Z - what is the fourth reciever??.
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Old 05-16-2007, 09:06 PM   #30
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Ok TCUDAN / Others - 4 reciever - jet left formation

I am giving you a test of your football knowledge. Name the recievers X, Y, Z - what is the fourth reciever??.
The designation system i've seen in detail is you have an X, Y, Z, H, F, normally with the Y the TE, the H the Halfback, and the F the Fullback.

The only rules are the X and the Y are always the "ends" on the LOS, and the Z always "flanks" the Y or the X. The H and the F are off the LOS but can be lined up anywhere.

So in your example the SL to the left would be the H and the motion back would be the F. Despite the H being a wide reciever.

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Old 05-16-2007, 09:08 PM   #31
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I should've been more clear, my apologies.

Brees under center, Deuce and Karney in the I form. Colston is the SE, Johnson at TE next to the RT, Copper flanking. Copper comes in motion toward Colston, but doesn't "set" himself before Brees takes the hike.

- Copper is no longer an eligible receiver.
Not trying to be a sarcastic but are you sure about this? I thought that any player lined up behind the LOS was eligible to catch a pass regardless of motion.
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Here's the information from the NFL Digest of Rules. Sounds to me like everyone in the offensive backfield is eligible.

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1. A forward pass may be touched or caught by any eligible receiver. All members of the defensive team are eligible. Eligible receivers on the offensive team are players on either end of line (other than center, guard, or tackle) or players at least one yard behind the line at the snap. A T-formation quarterback is not eligible to receive a forward pass during a play from scrimmage.
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7. All players of offensive team must be stationary at snap, except one back who may be in motion parallel to scrimmage line or backward (not forward).
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(edit) wow, I'm mad we posted the exact same rules.

However, if a player must be set to be eligible, not being set must mean he loses eligibility. Those two rules in cohesion seem to indicate that



↓ I've always understood that a player not lined up in the backfield would have to be set first...

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A scenario:

Brees under center, Deuce and Karney in the I form. Colston is the SE, Johnson at TE next to the RT, Copper flanking. Copper comes in motion toward Colston, but doesn't "set" himself before Brees takes the hike.

- Copper is no longer an eligible receiver
- Copper may take a handoff, a reverse, or a lateral pass
- If Copper receives a forward pass, it is an illegal forward pass - 5 yards, loss of down.
- There is a certain point where Copper becomes "ineligible receiver downfield," but I forget what it is.
- If Copper DOES set himself in position for a full second, off the LOS between the receivers that are on the LOS, he is an eligible receiver. Additionally, I believe he must be set in the space between the SE and the LT, but that may not be fully accurate.
Sorry Danchrism, but you are totally wrong!!

Copper is the 4th back in the backfield - he can go in motion, reverse his motion and he is legal as long as he does not turn upfield toward the LOS - then it would be illegal procedure call.
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(edit) wow, I'm mad we posted the exact same rules.

However, if a player must be set to be eligible, not being set must mean he loses eligibility. Those two rules in cohesion seem to indicate that



↓ I've always understood that a player not lined up in the backfield would have to be set first...
It doesn't say a player must be set to be eligible. It says:

1. Players one yard behind the LOS are eligible (except T-formation QB)
2. One back may be in motion parellel to the LOS

So a back can be in motion and still be eligible. You see this all the time in the NFL.
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It doesn't say a player must be set to be eligible. It says:

1. Players one yard behind the LOS are eligible (except T-formation QB)
2. One back may be in motion parellel to the LOS

So a back can be in motion and still be eligible. You see this all the time in the NFL.
joe horn did this quite often.
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i disagree with his guess as to meachem's spot (we'll all see as soon as he gets in shape and learns the offense)... i think meachem will be the X or Z receiver, depending on which side the TE is on, and will always (or pretty much always) line up on the right

so when the TE is on the right, meachem will be the Z receiver, when the TE is on the left meachem will be the X receiver... just my opinion, and dependent upon meachem's learning curve
What is the explanation on why Meachem will always be lined up on the right?
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I just read the posts on this thread today, and after yesterday I was expecting to be blistered.

Didn't happen, I'm glad to see many of you support what I said.

LSSpam, I understand now what you were trying to tell me about an 'uncovered receiver'. Good post as usual from you.

Thanks to you, and most everybody who responded here. I contunue to learn from threads like this and appreciate it when you, TCUDan or Danchrism or anyone else posts about actual football stuff.


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