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Old 05-16-2007, 04:22 PM   #1
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Receiver lettering (XYZ)... what does it mean?

I saw a discussion about this on another thread but figured I'd start my own to see if it helps everyone grasp what Payton was referring to in his press conference:


It has to do with basic receiver lettering. You have X, Y, Z, R, and H (it can vary depending on the team). In a pro set (2 receivers, tight end, two backs), the X is the split end and the Z is the flanker. This means that the X lines up on the line of scrimmage on the open side (opposite the tight end... get it, split end/tight end). He is not covering a receiver. The Z, or the flanker, lines up on the tight end side and has to be a yard off the line for the formation to be legal (otherwise the tight end is ineligible).

Once you go into a spread or single back formation, things change. The slot receiver becomes "R" (where R was the fullback, it's now the slot). You can also have Y (tight end in a pro set) become the slot. This helps with pass play calling as well. Some teams, mostly in collegiate and high school football, use route trees and route numbers for play calls. So you might hear a play such as "Spread right, Z zoom, 821 H-swing on two." Knowing what you know now, the play call should make a lot more sense. Spread right is the allignment, Z zoom is the motion, 821 are the pass routes in the order of "XYZ." So X runs an 8, Y runs a 2, and Z runs a 1. H-swing tells you what the H man runs (the runningback or often the "H" back in two tight end sets) out of the backfield.

Basically what I'm gathering from this is that Payton likes Devery at split end probably because having him ON the line gives him a great jump on deep routes. Colston is a good flanker because he can't be muscled around and has that extra cushion to get into his routes over the middle. Some coaches prefer the opposite, with a quick, speedy flanker that can be motioned around and a big, possession split end (my preference). Meachem and Copper and Patten will also learn the slot position, so just because they're backing up X or Z doesn't mean much at this point. Basically Meachem and Copper are competing for the #3 (slot receiver) position.
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Well, that was very good as are most of your posts.

How long do you expect Meachem to be the slot reciever before he moves up to the top position, where you appear to have Henderson?

I am glad we have two very fast receivers, I just suspect Meachem has better hands and will have that job soon, but I'd prefer your opinion to mine (LOL).


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In a pro set (2 receivers, tight end, two backs), the X is the split end and the Z is the flanker. This means that the X lines up on the line of scrimmage on the open side (opposite the tight end... get it, split end/tight end). He is not covering a receiver. The Z, or the flanker, lines up on the tight end side and has to be a yard off the line for the formation to be legal (otherwise the tight end is ineligible).
Great post TCUDan, I need more of this sort of thing, to help me understand.

Question: where does the "Y" come in, I don't see it mentioned in your post, is Y the TE? Also you say that the X lines up on the LOS, he is not covering a receiver. Can you explain that to me? I'm unsure what that means, the X is a receiver, right?

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it seems to be a common mistake to label henderson as a slot wr when he has seldom played in the slot.
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Great post TCUDan, I need more of this sort of thing, to help me understand.

Question: where does the "Y" come in, I don't see it mentioned in your post, is Y the TE? Also you say that the X lines up on the LOS, he is not covering a receiver. Can you explain that to me? I'm unsure what that means, the X is a receiver, right?

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It's in the post somewhere, Y is indeed the tight end.

Not covering a receiver means (i think) he's out there alone, no pick type stuff coming, just speed.


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Basically what I'm gathering from this is that Payton likes Devery at split end probably because having him ON the line gives him a great jump on deep routes. Colston is a good flanker because he can't be muscled around and has that extra cushion to get into his routes over the middle. Some coaches prefer the opposite, with a quick, speedy flanker that can be motioned around and a big, possession split end (my preference).
I thought the latter over the former. Putting Devery at Flanker gives him a little cushion from the LOS keeping him from being so easily jammed. Colston can handle that jam.


Course, teams don't play bump-and-run like they used too either so that's likely less of an issue.
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Great post TCUDan, I need more of this sort of thing, to help me understand.

Question: where does the "Y" come in, I don't see it mentioned in your post, is Y the TE? Also you say that the X lines up on the LOS, he is not covering a receiver. Can you explain that to me? I'm unsure what that means, the X is a receiver, right?

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Covering a receiver is when you, for lack of a better term, keep a player off the LOS. Exactly seven men must always be on the LOS.

it looks like so (illustrations are rush jobs done in Paint):



The black receivers are on the line, grey one, off.

When you go to a 3WR set:



The SE covers the slot, the TE covers the FL. If the SE motions across the LOS, then the SL must move up onto the LOS, while the SE must then remain off the LOS. As long as all players are set before the snap (ie, not still moving a la Arena Football) then all players are eligible receivers.

Basically, anyone between line up between non-linemen (in both cases, the SE and the TE) must be a yard off the LOS to be considered eligible receivers. Anyone outside of those players is understood to be an eligible receiver.

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Thanks for the post LSSpam, you may have corrected my earlier post.

I was led by this statement:

"This means that the X lines up on the line of scrimmage on the open side (opposite the tight end... get it, split end/tight end). He is not covering a receiver."

Which still leads me to believe he is not talking about the Tackle.

I agree, I hope he'll come back and explain the things posters have asked about.


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Thanks for the post LSSpam, you may have corrected my earlier post.

I was led by this statement:

"This means that the X lines up on the line of scrimmage on the open side (opposite the tight end... get it, split end/tight end). He is not covering a receiver."

Which still leads me to believe he is not talking about the Tackle.

I agree, I hope he'll come back and explain the things posters have asked about.


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Thanks for the post LSSpam, you may have corrected my earlier post.

I was led by this statement:

"This means that the X lines up on the line of scrimmage on the open side (opposite the tight end... get it, split end/tight end). He is not covering a receiver."

Which still leads me to believe he is not talking about the Tackle.

I agree, I hope he'll come back and explain the things posters have asked about.


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Btw the names are literal. You have two "ends". In most pro-sets one is "tight" against the formation, the other is "split-off" from the formation.

Split end, Tight end.
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I'm going to relax now.

When I read Dancrism's "As long as all players are set before the snap (ie, not still moving a la Arena Football) then all players are eligible receivers.",

I decided I don't know anything anymore.


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i disagree with his guess as to meachem's spot (we'll all see as soon as he gets in shape and learns the offense)... i think meachem will be the X or Z receiver, depending on which side the TE is on, and will always (or pretty much always) line up on the right

so when the TE is on the right, meachem will be the Z receiver, when the TE is on the left meachem will be the X receiver... just my opinion, and dependent upon meachem's learning curve
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I'm going to relax now.

When I read Dancrism's "As long as all players are set before the snap (ie, not still moving a la Arena Football) then all players are eligible receivers.",

I decided I don't know anything anymore.


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Ever watched an Arena game? When that guy comes rocketing up the field from seemingly nowhere right before the snap?

That's forbidden in the NFL. If you go in motion, you must stand still for a full second to be considered eligible. You cannot go forward while still "in motion," I believe that is an illegal formation penalty.
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