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Even if it isn't a breakthrough they're taking territory that Ukrainians died to take and now more of them will have to die taking it back. Some American politicians have Ukrainian blood on their hands. Lots of it.
Oh, I can think of a few 'politicians' who claim to love this country, democracy, and freedom, yet care more about poots and his illegal war...
 

MSN article
They are all cowards. The one guy ironically complains "that Ukraine no longer wants to support us". If they have family or loved ones still in Ukraine, or even if they don't, they should know that their country, people, and culture are threatened with annihilation. It sounds like they are trying to convince themselves that they are right when they know deep down that they are wrong.
 

MSN article
It's a Washington Post article that MSN is running. Kind of entertaining to read, however that kind of entertainment is of the perverse joy of watching other people slip and fall brand of humor. I can see why MSM ditched it's title in their software link. Here's its' title.

Ukrainian men abroad voice anger over pressure to return home to fight​


So it you want to read about the trials and tribulations of poor cowardly put-upon dish rag men... ... .

I read the entire article, didn't feel a feeling of sympathy for the draft dodgers. I understood and had sympathy for our Vietnam draft dodgers. This is different, this war is not a Vietnam War where the people would be fighting for something which was less than vital in a far off place.

I can understand Ukraine putting pressure on them to return and support their own. If they fail to return I would as Ukraine is doing, I would make them men without a country too because of their actions, they have abandon their kinfolk.

The abandon kinfolk are not obligated to care or keep them after their abandonment.
 
It's a Washington Post article that MSN is running. Kind of entertaining to read, however that kind of entertainment is of the perverse joy of watching other people slip and fall brand of humor. I can see why MSM ditched it's title in their software link. Here's its' title.

Ukrainian men abroad voice anger over pressure to return home to fight​


So it you want to read about the trials and tribulations of poor cowardly put-upon dish rag men... ... .

I read the entire article, didn't feel a feeling of sympathy for the draft dodgers. I understood and had sympathy for our Vietnam draft dodgers. This is different, this war is not a Vietnam War where the people would be fighting for something which was less than vital in a far off place.

I can understand Ukraine putting pressure on them to return and support their own. If they fail to return I would as Ukraine is doing, I would make them men without a country too because of their actions, they have abandon their kinfolk.

The abandon kinfolk are not obligated to care or keep them after their abandonment.
It is a rather short-sighted argument.

The country I've run from during great need no longer supports me.

Entitled narcissism is entitled narcissism...
 
A.K.A. Jane



"Witches need their long hair."

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Both of my kids are older than her. She looks a lot like my daughter.


Speaking of witches, this nice Russian witch has a new song she released just this week. It's a good one.



Fortunately There are more Ukrainian witches than there are Russian witches, and the Ukrainian witches are generally more powerful. I like the Russian witches more than I like the regular Russian average folks. So I'm generally very pro russian witches.

I prefer more wholesome Russian girls

 
It's a Washington Post article that MSN is running. Kind of entertaining to read, however that kind of entertainment is of the perverse joy of watching other people slip and fall brand of humor. I can see why MSM ditched it's title in their software link. Here's its' title.

Ukrainian men abroad voice anger over pressure to return home to fight​


So it you want to read about the trials and tribulations of poor cowardly put-upon dish rag men... ... .

I read the entire article, didn't feel a feeling of sympathy for the draft dodgers. I understood and had sympathy for our Vietnam draft dodgers. This is different, this war is not a Vietnam War where the people would be fighting for something which was less than vital in a far off place.

I can understand Ukraine putting pressure on them to return and support their own. If they fail to return I would as Ukraine is doing, I would make them men without a country too because of their actions, they have abandon their kinfolk.

The abandon kinfolk are not obligated to care or keep them after their abandonment.
I just found it to be an interesting idea on something I haven't thought about. Not everyone (even in our country) has the same drive to lay their life on the line for our country. Thank God for those that do and another reason our (or any) enlisted men should be viewed upon as heros. That said....dying for your country is not something many would volunteer to do and I do understand their point of view.
 
I just found it to be an interesting idea on something I haven't thought about. Not everyone (even in our country) has the same drive to lay their life on the line for our country. Thank God for those that do and another reason our (or any) enlisted men should be viewed upon as heros. That said....dying for your country is not something many would volunteer to do and I do understand their point of view.
The thing is, we have not been threatened with invasion since the Revolutionary War. Yes, there were those that did not want to go off and die in wars that didn’t directly affect us like Vietnam and Korea. I wonder how many here would run to Canada or Mexico if Russia came across the Bering Strait? It’s a scary thought.
 
I prefer more wholesome Russian girls


I could understand enough of that song to realize that those are not wholesome girls. So I looked it up and translated it to english at google. That created something which was not at all understandable as is the case with most Russian or Ukrainian songs. Literal translations are useless.

I found a human translation done by a songwriter. That's below. It's a 1790 song which is often embellished. I found lots of variations.


Oh, you canopy, my canopy (Ivanov)

Oh, you, my canopy,
my new canopy,
my new canopy, maple,
lattice!

Just like me,
don’t walk around you, along the Senichki.
I love my friend by the hand.
Don’t show off!

She came out young,
through the new gate, and
released a falcon
from her right sleeve.

On the flight,
I punished the falcon -
“You fly, fly, falcon,
High and far.

And high and far
to the homeland; Father lives
on his native side
of Grozen.

He is formidable, sir, formidable,
He is not merciful,
He does not let the young woman
in late at night alone.

I didn’t listen to my father,
I made fun of the young man.
I'll make him laugh because
his father has only one son.

That one son of his father
was born into a young man -
His name is Vanyushka,
Pivovarushka.”

The brewer brewed beer,
played the harmonica,
smoked green wine,
beckoned the red girls:

“Please, girls,
to my kitchen!”
Whether it’s mine or the cook’s,
the beer is drunk on the go.

Is it at my place, at the cook’s,
Beer is drunk on the go,
Beer is drunk on the go,
And on sweets with honey.”


It's a 1790 song which is often embellished. I found lots of variations. Those girls are not singing the variation of the song I gave you lyrics to.

It seemed like they were singing about stealing an evil merchants good, and then killing him for being evil along a road. I found a reference to that version.

"In 1906, at the mines of the Tsipikansky gold-bearing region, another song appeared to the tune of “Oh, you canopy, my canopy,” the song is based on a real incident. The merchant Kozlov, who leased the Ivanovsky mine, owed so much to the workers that they broke into his “kozenka” - a warehouse with goods and products - and took everything they needed for themselves and their families. The workers tied up Kozlov, carried him out onto the road and attached a note: “A dog’s death for a dog.” One of the sons of gold miner Prokhor Bodrov picked up Kozlov. Kozlov agreed with Bodrov to jointly manage the mine, and the workers were immediately given a full payment. Kozlov soon disappeared. Having arisen immediately after this incident, the song continued to live for many years."

The version they are singing is from a bit before the Russian revolution. It's in essence a communist revolution version of that song. Not Marxist communism, it's 1908 of the anarchy kind.

 
I could understand enough of that song to realize that those are not wholesome girls. So I looked it up and translated it to english at google. That created something which was not at all understandable as is the case with most Russian or Ukrainian songs. Literal translations are useless.

I found a human translation done by a songwriter. That's below. It's a 1790 song which is often embellished. I found lots of variations.


Oh, you canopy, my canopy (Ivanov)

Oh, you, my canopy,
my new canopy,
my new canopy, maple,
lattice!

Just like me,
don’t walk around you, along the Senichki.
I love my friend by the hand.
Don’t show off!

She came out young,
through the new gate, and
released a falcon
from her right sleeve.

On the flight,
I punished the falcon -
“You fly, fly, falcon,
High and far.

And high and far
to the homeland; Father lives
on his native side
of Grozen.

He is formidable, sir, formidable,
He is not merciful,
He does not let the young woman
in late at night alone.

I didn’t listen to my father,
I made fun of the young man.
I'll make him laugh because
his father has only one son.

That one son of his father
was born into a young man -
His name is Vanyushka,
Pivovarushka.”

The brewer brewed beer,
played the harmonica,
smoked green wine,
beckoned the red girls:

“Please, girls,
to my kitchen!”
Whether it’s mine or the cook’s,
the beer is drunk on the go.

Is it at my place, at the cook’s,
Beer is drunk on the go,
Beer is drunk on the go,
And on sweets with honey.”


It's a 1790 song which is often embellished. I found lots of variations. Those girls are not singing the variation of the song I gave you lyrics to.

It seemed like they were singing about stealing an evil merchants good, and then killing him for being evil along a road. I found a reference to that version.

"In 1906, at the mines of the Tsipikansky gold-bearing region, another song appeared to the tune of “Oh, you canopy, my canopy,” the song is based on a real incident. The merchant Kozlov, who leased the Ivanovsky mine, owed so much to the workers that they broke into his “kozenka” - a warehouse with goods and products - and took everything they needed for themselves and their families. The workers tied up Kozlov, carried him out onto the road and attached a note: “A dog’s death for a dog.” One of the sons of gold miner Prokhor Bodrov picked up Kozlov. Kozlov agreed with Bodrov to jointly manage the mine, and the workers were immediately given a full payment. Kozlov soon disappeared. Having arisen immediately after this incident, the song continued to live for many years."

The version they are singing is from a bit before the Russian revolution. It's in essence a communist revolution version of that song. Not Marxist communism, it's 1908 of the anarchy kind.

Thanks for the info. I’m wondering if it’s a case of old songs that once had meaning but they are so traditional the meaning of the original gets a bit lost, people just don’t think about it. Kinda like Yankee Doodle or The Yellow Rose of Texas. And it’s only relatively recently have certain songs like Dixie have become verboten

Plus this Russia
 
With Ukrainians assembling drones from parts at their homes a look into how a war effort is done is warranted.

Here it is from 1918, folks in the US South were building biplanes for the war effort.

This was a silent film, but someone thoughtfully added some elevator music of the day to it, which likely was the music which was the underlying cause of World War I.

So you might watch it just for that. People to this day wonder what caused that war. Probably was that music.


A Serbian-backed assassination of Austro-Hungarian heir Franz Ferdinand in Sarajevo on June 28, 1914 by Serb radical student revolutionaries called The Black Hand (allegedly, they were "anarchists") which Austria-Hungary quickly believed and blamed on Serbia's civilian leaders, and purposely drew up a list of ultimatums designed for Serbia to reject. Serbia accepted all their demands, save one which would allow Austrian troops to monitor any criminal investigation on Serbian soil. Their willingness to comply immediately turned worldwide public opinion in their favor but by then, the " July crisis " of 1914 was moving inextricably towards a European war.

Germany's Kaiser Wilhelm II gave Austro-Hungary "blank cheque" in terms of support in dealing with Serbia, Russia, not wanting to appear weak and lose its status as "protector" of all Eastern European Slavs, rallied to support its ally, Serbia. This led to the interlocking series of alliances that had put Europe into two armed camps since 1878: Triple Alliance vs. The Triple Entente. The British werent necessarily "duty-bound" to support either its French or Russian allies in case a war broke out, but they had been worried about German and economic and military influence growing and power increasing if it defeated France in a new war and had had told Germany it wouldn't stand for that in a secret 1911 meeting with Lord Haldane. The British probably wouldve joined the war anyway just like Italy did next year, but Germany gave it the perfect justification by violating Belgium's neutrality with its invasion and burning of a rare, world-famous medieval Belgian library that inflamed world opinion. Germany's response to the 1839 London Conference guaranteeing Belgian neutrality that it was just "a piece of paper" inflamed International opinion against it, too. Germany's famous pre-war invasion plan, the Schliefflen Plan, had envisioned Germany invading both Holland and Belgium in a giant leftward pincer envelopment, bypassing the heavily-defended French fortress citadels in Ardennes, and alongside Verdun where they would catch French forces out-manuevered and capture Paris before significant BEF arrived to make a tactical difference.

Unfortunately, Schliefflen's successor, Count Moltke the Younger, modified or changed his predecessor's war plans, respecting Holland's neutrality because it would be their "windpipe" for foreign trade in case of a prolonged war and instead just focused on invading Belgium in the event of general European conflict broke out. Moltke has been criticized by historians, writers and authors for his alterations to Schlefflen Plan, but IMHO, he recognized Germany's military limits pre-WWII and understood the logistical and tactical limitations of invading and occupying both Holland and Belgium particularly since the Dutch, historically have deliberately flooded areas of their own country to stop any invading armies advancing or making headway for centuries and in any potential worst-case scenario in 1914, it still wouldve had a tremendous effect on German logistical movements.

Strangely enough, Czar Nicholas II's adviser, spiritual and political mentor, Rasputin, directly warned Nicholas II that Russia wasnt ready or prepared militarily or economically for any large-scale European war and the fact that Germans completely annihilated Russian advances into East Prussia in late summer 1914 at battles at Tannenburg and Masurian Lakes and kept Russian forces on the defensive until the February 1917 Revolution proved that prognosis correct.
 
It's good topic to discuss. Our views seem similar enough to begin. If they weren't that similar we probably would encounter that problem which comes up so often, that of not having enough of a common reality to discuss something.

One of my hundred or so cousins too off to Canada in 1969. It may be he avoided death by doing so but the cost was very high. Almost high enough that he probably should have gone and faced possible death.

Our country did about what the Ukrainians are talking about doing except that it seemed to me that the Ukranians arn't going nearly as far with it.

What he faced was many years of living on another cousin's farm in Canada such that it was like an open air prison. My cousin didn't have a passport and once he left he couldn't get one. He had to stay on that farm 24/7/365 for about 15 years.

Eventually they gave him aminsity and he returned home and hasn't much left his parents home since. He was never the same as he was before after he returned.

The few times he did go to town after coming back he would get in trouble. He's been in and out of the state hospital for the mentally insane. In another word, more prison. 55 years it's been, he's been in a prison of his own making.
 

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